iiNet releases naked DSL bundles, counts uploads

i only do it if i'm close to going over the quota.

even then i don't download much anyway. and most of the time my upload is bigger than my downloads anyway, given that i don't muck around with the UL/DL settings.

 

Ah, no. Your ISP has every right to limit and control the service they are providing to you. Read the contract you agreed to - you do not own the service.

(And just incase reading things without illustrations is too hard for you, here is the key excerts from the iiNet CRA).

And below that:

Also

In short you are paying for a service, but that does not mean you own or have full rights to that service.

 

The fact remains, that P2P or not, broadband has gone backwards in Australia. Forget the speeds because they are irrelevant in my opinion and nothing but marketing when you consider the download (and now upload!) quotas that exist (what's the point of having a blazing connection when you can't use it?!). Over the span of about 18 months we are essentialy paying more for less, it's rediculious....

Hence the reason why I stick with my 512/128k totally unlimited plan for $49.90 per month. In my opinion, that is a fair and reasonable price for a service...

When ISP's do come up with a good idea for saving money on internet plans they go "opps, look here, what we give with this hand we take with this one - But for someone that dosen't read the fine print, it's a good deal!"

....On average, $80.00 to $90.00 per month for something with ever increasing quotas is not what I consider to be a fair and reasonable price....

....And i'm not nessecarily blaming the ISP's, i'm blaming the communications backbone of Australia and their corperate greed - I have yet to see any substantial evidence proving that our pipeline between Oz and the rest of the world is maxed out.

 

Agreed, they like to offer shit then cry poor when people actually take them up on their offers.

Here's a 50gb adsl2 plan for $30/month. Please only download 200mb, ta.

Aside from getting more infrastructure in, doubling the quota and then counting uploads seems fair enough to me as you'll gain more download as not all your downloads are torrents.

 

As stated by many iinet reps that, the GENERAL user would download something close to 2gb a month or not even, this is the market ISP's go for as its their main cash cow. ENTHUSIAST plans that have more than 10gb a month or more are not the market niche they focus on; so you have to keep than in context when referring to user downloads.

If ISP’s are so worried about download & uploads they should setup infrastructure based on caching technologies that I’ve heard some ISP’s use in order to lessen the burden on its infrastructure.

 

hopefully doesnt kick off a trend of uploads counting to quota. I have been an iinet customer since 1998.

 

Who's that with? I'm paying ~$55 for 512/128k with 20gb from 'node.

 

They already do in the form of Akamai and proxy caches, as well as offering local content (like in the Internode file server) with incentives like unlimited use to encourage users to use that.

The issue here is that it is easy to say that well over 50% of bandwidth provided by ISPs is being sucked away by bittorrent which cannot be cached or proxied.

Look at Internode who tried to provide usenet access - the abuse of the service was so bad they gave it up pretty quick.

If you'd have worked with an ISP over the last 3 or so years you would be deeply disturbed by the way in which bandwidth use has changed. For a normal user having their upload maxed out all day isn't a big deal, but a mere 50 users will have an effect upstream. You need to understand that residential connections have contention ratios that are usually 20,50,100:1, meaning that while you may have a 24/1mbit connection, the connection between the exchange equipment and the ISP may only be 1000mbit serving 1000 users. Etc etc.

As for "getting what you pay for", you pay for a service that is not an open licence to download and upload the absolute theoretical maximum.

If you have such a big issue with tighter quotas why don't you take a hard look at what you use your connection for, and consider using iTunes or some other online service to get your fix?

 

Internode 8Mbit ADSL w/ 40Gb download, $120/month.

Problem solved?

 

aaNet 8mbit ADSL w/32GB download, $89.90 a month.

Off-peak (1am - 9am) downloads only count at a rate of 33% towards your months download limit too (i.e. you download 3gb, only 1gb gets taken off your quota).

About the best I can find on 8mbit ADSL.

 

How does that solve his problem?

 

I'm on an iiNet plan - $70/month with 10/10, off-peak 00:00 - 08:00 (SA)... but yer, I ain't paying $120 month just for the ADSL plan (thanks anyway though, Oblong).

That aaNet sounds alright, I'll have a look at their site.

 

Kinda shameless plug here.. (agg edit: so don't do it)

 

So if the infrastructure cannot cope with the upping of the bandwidth drop back down to 256k/512k and 1500k speeds and remove the download/upload quotas or take a bit of that money we pay in fees and put it towards improving the infrastructure.

If I pay for an 'unlimited' plan I expect to use it as an unlimited plan - If the plans coulden't be used to their theoretical maximum then mabye they shoulden't have been called 'unlimited' in the hey days of Oz internet....?

But I guess that's marketing, isn't it? And the blame is being shoved in the hands of the consumer while the ISP's and Australias telecommunications backbone throw their hands in the air and state "What do you expect? We didn't actually think you'd use all the bandwidth you had avaliable?!"

This country is just rediculious....Our population is growing and neither the Government 'or' private buisness want to put any money towards improving our infrastructure without charging out the arse for their efforts and making rediculious profits in the process - As a result our internet is lagging behind the rest of the world, your treated like a criminal if you use our precious water in a manner that isn't classed as efficient....And the whole time no one attempts to rectify the underlying problem because everyone just wants to maximize profits - And we sink further and further down the drain (along with our precious drinking water).

 

australia has me still slightly brainwashed about internet usage...I still throttle back and watch downloads even on hikari.....though sometimes I let it crank out ...but I still feel nervous about it

 

well there is no reason for me to get off my $90 a month for 40+40 plan
count upload? man isyoucrazy??

 

Sure it is. I usually don't get shaped (4 x times since I've had broadband - 2003)- but I hit fairly close to it regularly. I don't download for the sake of downloading - whatever content I download is 'consumed'. I could always do with more quota but I'm not prepared to pay more and am reasonably happy with my ISP and their services. I don't use BT often but when I do, I always try to exceed 1:1 ratio on files - so looking at my bt stats, I have uploaded more than I have downloaded.

For me, I would not go on a plan that counted uploads.

 

yes.. info please.

as for the naked, i believe they have also introduce capping of upload which didn't exist in there previous adsl2 plan... naked capping is 64/128 (down/up).

it would be more acceptable to me if they offset the upload capping by doubling the download cap to 128 to make it 128/128.

use my mobile for all mobile/local/std call. international rate for their voip isn't that great. so there voip isn't for me, but i can see the attraction it has for others.

 

well i signed up for the $69.95 plan... 10GB/20GB

we currently pay $70 a month for our phone line and calls...

So as far as im concerned we will be getting 30GB of ADSL2+ for free...

Considering we were looking at the optus $99 Fusion plan, this iinet plan is far better.. plus we can piss off our telstra phone line

 

If iinet forces their other customers to have counted uploads i will be out of there in the blink of an eye